"세계7대자연경관선정, 공신력이 없는 단체가 시행한 선정 작업에 물불가리지 않고 뛰어들어"
"세계7대자연경관 선정 의혹, 국회나 감사원 통해 꼭 규명돼야"
"우리 정부가 앞뒤 내막을 모르고 올인했던 것"
"양원찬 사무총장, 위신때문에 계속 추진하는 것"
"추적60분팀 현지서 '어떻게 한국같은 나라가 여기에 걸려드느냐'는 말 들어"
"혈세가 들어간 사업에 대해선 감사청구 가능"
"행정전화 동원, 규명된 것만 200억원"
최시중 위원장이 지난 27일 전격 사퇴한 가운데 “최시중 위원장이 친이계 의원들에게 수천만원을 뿌렸다”는 보도가 나와 정부·여당을 충격으로 몰아넣고 있습니다. 오늘은 창조한국당 이용경 의원을 연결해 이 문제와 함께 제주도 7대자연경관 선정 의혹을 둘러싼 논란을 짚어보겠습니다.
-최시중 방통위원장이 지난 27일 돌연 사퇴했습니다. 우선 국회 문방위 야당 위원으로 일선에서 최시중 위원장의 전횡을 감시하고 비판해 오셨는데요. 어떤 생각이 드십니까? ▶그분이 사실 그동안 많은 논란의 중심에 있었던 것으로 보아서는 늦은 감이 있죠. 대통령의 멘토라고 하는 분인데 법적 책임도 책임이지만 방송통신위원회 위원장이라는 자리는 굉장한 도덕성을 요구하는 자리거든요. 게다가 앞으로 적임자가 임명되어야 하는데 통신이나 IT분야 인사들이 전혀 거론되지 않는 것이 걱정스럽습니다. 지금까지 MB정부 들어서 IT가 많이 후퇴했다는 생각이 일반적이거든요.
-개인적으로 생각해놓으신 분이 있으신가요? ▶글쎄요. 지금 나오시는 분들로 방송분야분들만 거론되고 있는데 IT에도 인물이 많죠. 기존의 큰 기업을 운영했던 IT분야도 전문가들이 많이 있으십니다.
-<시사저널>이 어제 “최시중 위원장이 친이계 의원들에게 수천만원을 뿌렸다”는 보도를 했습니다. 보도에 따르면 돈을 뿌린 시점은 지난 2008년 추석 직전이구요. 모두 세 명의 여당 의원에게 현금으로 총 3천5백만원이 전달됐다고 합니다. 물론 나중에 다 돌려준 것으로 전해지고 있는데, 어떻게 보십니까? ▶저도 언론에 보도된 것만 봤는데요. 이런 말이 나온다는 것 자체가 우리나라 현실이 이 정도밖에 안되나 라는 생각이 들더군요. 대통령과 독대한다는 장관이 직접 수천만원의 돈을 국회의원에게 건넸다 라는 것은 믿기 힘든 얘기입니다. 이는 자유당시절에나 있을 법한 일이라고 생각합니다. 이것이 사실이라면 완전히 아날로그식으로 일하는 분이 우리나라 IT를 책임지고 있었다는 그런 말이 되겠습니다.
-검찰수사가 필요하시다는 말씀이신가요? ▶당연하죠. 이런 일에 대해서 저는 철두철미하게 규명이 되어서 저희 시스템에서 제거해야 합니다.
-혹시 야당 쪽에도 돈 전달이 있지 않았냐 라는 얘기도 나오는데요, 그렇게 의심할만한 점이 있을까요? ▶지금 사건이 일어났다고 얘기한 때가 바로 미디어법으로 인해 여야가 첨예하게 대립했던 시절이거든요. 그런 시절에 야당에까지 손을 뻗치진 않았을 것으로 봅니다. 상당히 약점잡힐 일이기 때문에 물론 어떤 제보가 있었는지는 모르지만 아주 가까이서 바라본 제3자의 입장에서는 매우 가능성이 희박한 것으로 보입니다.
-고승덕 의원처럼 이번 방통위원장 돈봉투 살포 의혹도 여당 의원이 양심선언을 해야 한다고 보십니까? ▶그렇죠. 현재 고승덕 의원의 일에 관해서 왜 그 당시 얘기안하고 지금 와서 얘기하느냐는 입장도 있지만 잘못된 사건은 언제든지 폭로가 되어야 합니다. 시기에 상관없이 양심선언 등을 통해 이를 제거하는 것이 중요하지 시기를 탓하는 것은 맞지 않다고 봅니다.
-다른 현안 질문으로 넘어가죠. 지금 여야가 합의한 미디어렙법안이 아직 국회를 통과하지 못하고 있는데요. 지금 법안이 00되면서 중소방송사들의 경영난도 가속화되어가고 있는 상황인데, 미디어렙법안의 처리 지연에 대한 불만을 많이 듣고 계시죠? ▶지금 불확실성이 가장 큰 문제죠. 어떻게 해서든지 해결이 안 되면 저희가 다른 방법을 강구해야 되겠지만, 이제까지 미디어렙법안을 통해서 일부 떼어낸 자금을 가지고 여론의 다양성을 확보해 왔는데 현재 시행자체가 표류되고 있는 상황에서 군소매체, 종교매체들이 상당히 어려움을 겪고 있을 것이라는 건 자명한 일이라고 봅니다. 제가 좀 더 신경을 썼어야 했는데 국회의원의 한 사람으로서 이것이 지난 3년 동안 표류했다는 것에 대해서 일말의 변명도 할 수 없다고 봅니다.
-2월 임시국회 소집은 되어있고요. 2월 국회 내에는 통과가 돼야 하지 않을까요? ▶되어야죠. 아마 제 생각엔 2월 국회에서는 처리가 될 것으로 봅니다. 그런데 여당에서 이것을 KBS수신료 인상과 연결해 처리하려고 했기 때문에 어려운 부분이 있었는데 조금만 생각의 전환을 하면 2월 국회에서 처리가 될 것으로 봅니다.
-지금 정치사회적 논란거리 중에 하나가 제주도의 세계 7대 자연경관 선정을 둘러싼 논란입니다. 이게 사기다, 아니다 의견이 여전히 분분하거든요. 의원님은 어떻게 보십니까? ▶여전히 문제가 많다고 보죠. 우선 공신력이 없는 단체가 시행한 선정 작업에 물불가리지 않고 뛰어들었다는 것 자체가 우리의 수준을 나타내주는 것이고요. 여기에 국내 혈세가 500억 이상 드는 것으로 추정이 됩니다만 이러한 모든 것이 불투명하게 쉬쉬하면서 진행되고 있다는 것이 큰 문제라고 보고요. 이것은 분명히 국회나 감사원을 통해서 규명되어야 한다고 봅니다.
-세계7대자연경관 투표를 주관한 곳이 뉴세븐원더스재단이 아니고 버나드 웨버 재단 이사장 자신이 설립한 것이 주장의 핵심이 아니겠습니까? 그렇게 볼 수 있는 여지가 있는 겁니까? ▶본인이 이야기를 했습니다. 2월에 와서 기자회견을 할 때, 진행과정이 법적인 계약은 소위 NWOC 하고 계약을 한 것입니다. 하지만 그들은 영리기업이고 실제 진행은 웹상의 투표라든지 거기에 들어가서 보면 뉴세븐원더스는 재단에서 운영을 했습니다. 그래서 그것은 비영리 기업이 운영하는 것처럼 하면서 실제로는 영리기업이 이를 주재했던 것이죠. 그래서 이것은 사기성이 아주 농후하고, 이것이 사실 웨버가 와서 얘기할 때 처음으로 밝혀졌어요. 이런 것 자체가 내막도 모르고 우리가 여기에 올인했다는 것이 자명하게 드러났죠.
-세계7대경관 제주범국민추진위원회 양원찬 사무총장이 “통역상의 혼란과 오해 때문에 일어난 것이다”라고 반박했는데요, 양원찬 총장의 해명은 충분치 않다고 보시나요? ▶예. 그분들이 무슨 근거로 그런 말씀을 하셨는지 모르지만 통역사를 자체에서 자기네가 그동안 써왔던 통역사를 계속 쓰신거고, 비디오를 보더라도 본 내용이 NWOC가 계약주체라고 되어 있습니다. 그래서 그분이 무슨 근거로 한 말씀인지는 모르겠습니다.
-양원찬 총장은 일부 보도에 대해서 정정요구를 근거자료와 함께 재단과 위원회가 위원장이름으로 발송했다는 이야기를 했거든요. 의원님께서는 이런 요구를 하고 있지는 않습니까? ▶저에게는 아직 그런 요구는 없습니다.
-양원찬 총장은 계속 재단 측은 법적으로 재단운영이 필요한 수익사업을 할 수 없으니까 자회사인 NWOC이 그 사업을 대행하고 있다고 하고 있거든요. 이런 주장에 대해 어떻게 생각하시나요? ▶말이 안되는 것이죠. 왜냐하면 저희가 비영리재단이지만 여기엔 영리사업도 하고 있거든요. 예를 들어서 삼성이나 현대하고 스폰서계약도하고, 거기에서 이윤도 나오고 하는 것이 불가능한 일은 아니고 실제로도 일어나는 일이기 때문에 NWOC를 만들어주고 거기에서 한다라는 것은 다를 것 같습니다. 제가 오히려 생각하기에는 여기서 나오는 일을 버나드 웨버라는 분이 자기가 직접 가져가기 위해서 NWOC 사업을 펼치고 있는 것이라 하겠습니다.
-양원찬 총장은 그럼 지금 사실 웨버라는 분을 옹호하고 있는 것 아니겠습니까? 왜 그렇게 한다고 생각하십니까? ▶저는 그분을 옹호한다는 것도 그렇지만, 이제까지 범국민추진위원회가 해왔던 것을 갖다가 그대로 밀고 나가는 성향이 강하지 않나 생각합니다. 잘못된 것은 바로 고쳐야 하는데 본인들의 위신 같은 것 때문에 계속해서 추진하는 것으로 보고요. 이 과정에서 우리나라를 총동원하지 않았습니까? 하다못해 대통령도 직접 투표를 권장하기 위해 참여하시는 모습도 보여주고 했는데 그것을 이제와서 부정하기는 쉽지 않겠죠.
-필리핀의 경우를 예로 들어보면요, 필리핀의 프에르토 프린세사 지하강이 세계7대자연경관에 선정됐거든요. 어제 필리핀 대통령 대변인은 환영성명서를 발표하고 대통령실 공식 홈페이지에도 게재했습니다. 문제가 있다면 필리핀 대통령실까지 이렇게 환영하고 나섰을까 하는 생각도 드는데요? ▶글쎄요. 비하인드 스토리 이지만, 추적60분촬영의 일원분이 “어떻게 한국같은 나라가 여기에 걸려드느냐, 선진국인줄 알았는데”라는 이야기를 들었다고 하더라고요. 선진국이라면 저희가 다시 생각해보아야 하겠지만 필리핀이었으므로 저희가 그 기준을 맞출 필요는 없다고 보고요. 단지 이러한 일이 제가 보기에는 전제주의국가에서나 일어날 수 있는 것으로 보거든요. 이런 것들은 고쳐나가야 한다고 봅니다.
-당시 취재된 화면이라든지 보도를 보면 웨버이라는 분이 스위스에 있는 집이 개인 것이라고 나오거든요? ▶예. 사무실이 주소를 검색해보니까 박물관으로 되어 있는데 그것이 웨버씨의 어머니가 세운 것이라는 이야기가 있습니다.
-그럼 충분한 시설과 인원확보가 안된 단체라고 보시는 겁니까? ▶예. 물론 지금은 하드웨어시대냐, 지금은 소프트웨어시대고 재택근무를 하고 하는 이야기들을 양원찬 사무총장이 하셨지만 그렇기 때문에 만약에 소프트웨어라면 정말 여기에는 투명성이 보장되어야 하고, 어디에 있든지 시스템적으로 하자가 없는 그런 운영을 했어야 했는데 그것도 아니지 않습니까?
-재단 규모가 그리 크지 않던데요. 20여명 정도가 근무를 하고 있는 건가요? ▶그렇게 큰 규모가 아니라는 이야기를 들었고요. 지난번 추적60분 기자 분들도 아무도 못 만나고 온 것으로 알고 있습니다. 그래서 실제로 어느 정도의 인원이 있는지는 잘 알려지지 않고 있습니다.
-아까 말씀하셨던 국회 차원의 규명은 어떻게 하실건가요? ▶이제 국회의원 10명이 합의해서 동시에 발의를 하면 본회의에 올라가거든요. 거기에서 이제 가결해서 감사를 청구하는데 근본적으로 혈세가 들어간 사업에 대해서는 어디서나 감사를 할 수 있습니다. 여기에 행정전환은 세금으로 저희가 내야 하는 것인데 그것이 규명된 것만 약 200억원이 되고 400억까지도 올라갈 수 있는 정황이 있기 때문에 저희가 감사를 통해서 규명을 하는데 쓰는 것 자체도 문제이지만 왜 이렇게 거기까지 총체적인 부실이 이어져 왔느냐 하는 사회적인 통찰을 하는 계기가 됐으면 좋겠습니다.
-제주도는 인증서 수여식 행사를 강행하려는 움직임도 보입니다. 어떻게 보십니까? ▶저희가 이제까지 들은 바에 의하면 인증서 수여식을 빌미로 해서 비용을 선정된 단체에 떠맡기는 것을 몇 번 요구한 적이 있기 때문에 또다시 제주도 예산으로 충당해야 합니다. 제주도 예산 자립도가 20%조금 넘는데 이를 어떻게 감당할지, 더 이상의 혈세가 낭비되어서는 안 된다는 입장에서 저희가 이것을 끝까지 규명해야 한다고 생각합니다.
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